Make It Plain Logo

Listen to MAKE IT PLAIN

Get new episodes delivered to your phone every Monday!

In the final episode of Make it Plain Season 2, Phillip Holmes and Taelor Gray discuss this quote from Malcolm X:

“We Black men have a hard enough time in our own struggle for justice—and already have enough enemies as it is—to make a drastic mistake of attacking each other and adding more weight to an already unbearable load.”

In this episode of Make it Plain, Phillip Holmes and Taelor Gray discuss this quote from Malcolm X:

“I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don’t see an American dream. I see an American nightmare.”

In this week’s episode of Make it Plain, Phillip Holmes and Taelor Gray explore the following Malcolm X quote:

“Then in the second semester of the second grade, I was elected class president. It surprised me even more than other people. But I can see now why the class might have done it. My grades were among the highest in the school. I was unique in my class, like a pink poodle. And I was proud. I’m not going to say I wasn’t. In fact, by then, I didn’t really have much feeling about being a Negro. Because I was trying so hard, in every way I could, to be white. Which is why I am spending much of my life today telling the American black man that he’s wasting his time straining to integrate. I know from personal experience. I tried hard enough.”

In the season two premiere episode of Make it Plain, Phillip Holmes and Taelor Gray discuss Malcolm X’s views on the American political party system and relate his words to today’s polarized political environment.

In this episode, Phillip and Taelor welcome Jasmine Holmes to talk about how Malcolm X was a part of her upbringing, his influence on her life, her reflections on this quote as a Black woman, and much more.